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necromancer
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Is it morally permissible to kill one innocent person to save the lives of more innocent people?

This is the current topic in Lincoln-Douglas debate (a type of competitive debate) topic, or more correctly it is the resolution- Resolved: It is morally permissible to kill one innocent person to save the lives of more innocent people.

Anyways, I thought this was a very interesting philosophical argument and wanted to see what other gamers think.

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ngfan14
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I do not think I would be able to kill one innocent person to save other innocent people. It is not morally permissible for me.

I don't know about other people though.

kevin44
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Well, if you have the choice between one innocent dying or multiple innocents dying, which would you choose?

kielzanie
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ok this is a kind of a scenario i have heard that has to do with this topic.

You live in a village that has been taken over by other enemies from other lands. in the middle of this situation, you have a small infant only about 10 months old. one day the soldiers march in the village and start to kill any body they see. as a last attempt you take your child and hide in a nearby building where you discover there are many other people there. you hear the soldiers passing by, and everybody being quite. then you notice your baby start to cry. you put your hand on your baby's mouth but soon realize that he is struggling to breath

so wat would you do? kill your own baby by suffocating him or let your hand go and letting the soldiers hear which would most likely kill the rest, you and the baby.

tough isnt it?

necromancer
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@kevin44- A doctor has five patients; one needs a new heart, two need a kidney, one needs lungs, and one needs a liver, if they don't have them in a day they will die. Coincidentally they all have the same blood-type. Mr. Jones walks into the hospital for his check-up. He has the same blood-type as the rest of the patients; is it morally permissible for the doctor to kill Mr. Jones to save the five patients?

I think not, the organs belong to Mr. Jones, as does his life, the doctor is effectively stealing when he cuts up Mr. Jones.

There are many "trolley problem" variations of this story. That could be brought in.

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@Kielzanie id give the baby to another person in the hut and ask them to look after him/her then id go out the back of the hut and attack the soliders hopefully they'll think i was the only one there and move on

kielzanie
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@mrmonkey3
that doesnt even make scence!!! ok they are killing everybody and there are a lot of them. so even if you tried to kill them with any thing (which you probably cant) that will alert others. and you will have to act quickly and take your baby and move. just stick to the topic in the end!!!

MrMonkey3
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@kielzanie i AM sticking to the topic you might think there are two options but thats not true theres always options you just have to look for them, my answers not wrong because its not usual. Besides a "hut" is made of flimsy material so id cut out the back and come at them from somewhere else, sure id be dead but at least the baby would have a future.

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@necromancer, arn't you the guy that posted that moralls don't matter on my people losing morals post? this would be one use of morals is saving many people

Drace
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Not that it matters but of course.

Kill one, save 2. =D

kielzanie
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JUST answer the two options!!!!! if you will try to get out the baby will start crying!!!! just please answer the two options!!!

necromancer
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@daswiftarrow-
My Nietzsche comment was more of for my own amusement, not that I truly believe that no morals exist.

@Drace-
Heartlessly killing a person and taking away their autonomy, regardless of the cause is moral? I think not.

daswiftarrow
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Kill one, save 2. =D

kill 1 save 2 , kill 100 save 1000, kill 1000 save 10000
-Saving Private Ryan
MrMonkey3
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@kielzanie There's MORE options theres NEVER just two options. What i would do is totally possible, not like im saying id pull out an ak-47 and kill everyone. What if someone gave you a gun and said shoot yourself or your friend? Would you do it NO that wasnt one of the options he gave you but that doesnt mean it wasnt an option.

Drace
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Heartlessly killing a person and taking away their autonomy, regardless of the cause is moral? I think not.


This is a math question as to if 1 is > or < then 2.

If you want to throw in the quality of the person into the equation, it is more like x > or < 2y.

If considering both people are the same. Its simple. Why heartlessly kill 2 people, when you can go for one?
kielzanie
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Please just please!!! i just asked a question!!! if you dont want to answer it dont!!!! who cares if theres more options!!

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