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dieath
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-1914: a civillian ship went into warzone german teritory, waters(what a shock) it was destroyed, thats what sent america into ww1

-1939: inteligence about the japanasse attack on pearl harbor was purposfully delayed and pearl harbor with 3000 lives were destroyed.

-1955: americans lied about 3 destroyers being destroyed in vietnam, and admited too it 30 years later.

-2001: american government planted nano themite in the world trade center buildings and went too was with iraq and Afghanistan.

(9/11 inside job? seriously what else is new?)

9/11,

-Steal melting or weakening: the temperatures did not even get high enough too weaken steel like some people claim, steel weakens at 1100F, the buildings burned at 200F or less, black smoke like the ones on 9/11 means a dyin g fire.

-Buildings collapsing: this would never have happened if the laws of physics wherent bent that day, the trade centers were the strongest buildings ever built and they were made too withstand plane crashes, and then they fell because of a little fire and some structural dmg on the top floors, the trade centers are built like pyramides, with the thickest steel on the bottom and weakest on top, with a steel core in the center(these building were not coming down).

-The collapse: the buildings fell in 8 seconds, this means that the buildings dint slowly collapse on each floor and collapse again, it means before they even hit another floor the floor collapsed, otherwised this would have taken over 20 seconds.

-Molten steel: the less heard proof, in the basement and under the building they found pools of molten steel, imposible too be caused by a building collapse or jet fuel, they also found enourmes quantities of nano thermite in the dust after the collapse(witch burns at 2600f).

-First steel collapse ever: the world trade centers were the first ever steel building collapse in the history of mankind. other building have been on fire for hours on end and haven't come down since they were made out of steel.

-Buildings dont collapse from fire
-Molten steel/nano thermite

Steel buildings don't collapse from fire, so whats left too make them collapse...the plane? no because the buildings where made too protect against plane crashes.

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Google is simply evidence, not proof, so it's still a conspiracy theory. Before you go any further with it, explain why it would be necessary to knock the towers over with explosives when planes already hit the building. Wouldn't it still be a "terrorist attack" even if the buildings were still standing?

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, especially when they're stupid.

Lol Alt.
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It was definitely terrorist.

We even know Osama Bin Laden was a part of it.

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The error in the building's design was not the steel >_>
The entire center of the building was dry wall, which is......not so strong, especially when it's 'burning', and has a giant plane cutting into it. Might have had a better chance making the center composed of human bodies to support the late Twins.

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, especially when they're stupid.

I hate 9/11 conspiracies, a simple terrorist attack, or, to be fair, what appears to be a terrorist attack, and the world, specifically the United States, puts their foil caps on and starts listening to YouTube.
I think we know Osama Bin Laden was a part of it.

As far as I'm concerned not everyone here cares nor thinks the same, considering the OP >_>
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Hmmm.....

Hmmmm......

Hmmmmmmmm....

Should I trust people who actually know something about buildings, fires and explosions like.. architects, fire response crews, demolition experts, military advisors... or should I trust some kid on an internet forum or any of the other quacks who support the conspiracy view of 9/11 who aren't an expert on anything?

Tough call.

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9/11 inside job or terorists


Ohh god. Conspiracy Theorists.

As of the question.

Terorists.

Why would the government blow up two very large and important buildings?
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I think that its just looks bad for the government but i don't think they really did come on no way Bush could think of flying airplanes into a building also haven't we already seen this topic?

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Alright idiots, time for some real logic.

So steel burns at 1500 degrees or so and plane fuel doesn't burn that high SO IT MUST BE TERRORIST AMERICA! Or not geniuses. Steel loses half of its strength around 600 degree, of which jet fuel burns higher, and at 50% of its strength it will buckle down because that isn't strong enough.

The buildings weren't built to sustain two boeing 767s hitting it in any way whatsoever. Supposedly they tested it with a boeing 707 and said that it would only cause local damage, and even then there are no documents of how they tested it so they could've done it completely wrong. A boing 707 is significantly smaller than a 767, and they tested it with on, not two planes. Last time I checked two planes will do exactly double the damage, which is a lot, and is nowhere near the "local" amount of damage one 707 would do.


The building pancaked because when the planes hit it dislodged the floor columns keeping the building up making it pancake, and the jet fuel dispersed into the entire building on multiple floors, and burning up multiple floors at the same time and causing such a fast destruction.


But all of this doesn't matter for one reason:
Dylan Avery. Creator of the conspiracy video loose change. If you are going to tell me that the government could use thousands of demolition experts and plan out the destruction of the entire world trade centers without anyone seeing or noticing, and have no problem killing 3000 innocent American civilians, they would have no problem killing this dirtbag idiot who would be unveiling their secret conspiracy. The government has people flying through the internet at all times searching information for the government, they would literally be the first people to see this video. And would easily be able to have it shut down and disapear in minutes, as well as being able to kill this guy within the day without any suspicious. If they could blow up the WTC but not kill one kid secretly, then you are pretty slow.

Some conspiracies in the world are worth looking into, but 9/11 is the stupidest thing anyone has ever talked about.

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-1914: a civillian ship went into warzone german teritory, waters(what a shock) it was destroyed, thats what sent america into ww1


So off the coast of Ireland is considered warzone German territory?
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Dylan Avery. Creator of the conspiracy video loose change. If you are going to tell me that the government could use thousands of demolition experts and plan out the destruction of the entire world trade centers without anyone seeing or noticing, and have no problem killing 3000 innocent American civilians, they would have no problem killing this dirtbag idiot who would be unveiling their secret conspiracy. The government has people flying through the internet at all times searching information for the government, they would literally be the first people to see this video. And would easily be able to have it shut down and disapear in minutes, as well as being able to kill this guy within the day without any suspicious. If they could blow up the WTC but not kill one kid secretly, then you are pretty slow.


this is a bad argument for anyone who desent understand the internet, by the time the video had come out enough eople had watched/downloaded it there would be no point in killing him, if they did it would just confirm the beleifs

So steel burns at 1500 degrees or so and plane fuel doesn't burn that high SO IT MUST BE TERRORIST AMERICA! Or not geniuses. Steel loses half of its strength around 600 degree, of which jet fuel burns higher, and at 50% of its strength it will buckle down because that isn't strong enough.


this is wrong in a few ways
1.Steel melts at 2700F
2.Steel looses half its strengh at 1200F
3.90% of the jet fuel burned up in the initial crash
4.Jet fuel burns at maximum intesity of 1100F

The buildings weren't built to sustain two boeing 767s hitting it in any way whatsoever. Supposedly they tested it with a boeing 707 and said that it would only cause local damage, and even then there are no documents of how they tested it so they could've done it completely wrong. A boing 707 is significantly smaller than a 767, and they tested it with on, not two planes. Last time I checked two planes will do exactly double the damage, which is a lot, and is nowhere near the "local" amount of damage one 707 would do.


ive seen this argument too many times, and im wondering if people understand the design of the building, no matter how many planes hit the top floors, the building was not falling.

The world trade centers were built with an enourmously thick steel core, the outside was built entirly by steel, the ammount of steel from bottom too top was from the thickest(at the bottom) too the least thick(at the top).

A plane hitting the top of the building no matter how big they have gotten would have ruptered the outer steel, severed a few of the steel attachements connecting the core too the center but, it would never be enough too make the building collapse at freefall speed into the path of most resistance.

The building pancaked because when the planes hit it dislodged the floor columns keeping the building up making it pancake, and the jet fuel dispersed into the entire building on multiple floors, and burning up multiple floors at the same time and causing such a fast destruction.


the fires were contained on a few floor and they were dying, the building was also built too smuther fires, and they did just that. the fires you see on 911 let out black smoke, a sing of death.

So off the coast of Ireland is considered warzone German territory?


TRAVELLERS intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that, in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travellers sailing in the war zone on the ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk.

werever it was sunk was a warzone

This hasn't been proven, so it's a theory.


no this has been proven, the entire conspiracy itself hasnt been but researches have found nanothermite dust inside the dust from ground zero

Oh yeah, but. . .explosions, fire, extreme heat. . .yeah, stuff like that does.


a fire burns things, it does not incinerate human bodys too dust, melt steel too pools of molten iron and evescirate every single thing in the building too the size of a phone(only intact thing recovered)

We even know Osama Bin Laden was a part of it.


actually there was never any proof, not a shred of evidence that connected ossama bin ladden with it

The error in the building's design was not the steel >_>
The entire center of the building was dry wall, which is......not so strong, especially when it's 'burning', and has a giant plane cutting into it. Might have had a better chance making the center composed of human bodies to support the late Twins.


what? the center of the building was a core collum made with incredibally thick steel

Should I trust people who actually know something about buildings, fires and explosions like.. architects, fire response crews, demolition experts, military advisors... or should I trust some kid on an internet forum or any of the other quacks who support the conspiracy view of 9/11 who aren't an expert on anything?


i should point out nearly every fireman on the site said that they heard explosions coming from the building while it collapsed, and more and more architects who havent just beleaved what happened and moved on still want another investigation

Why would the government blow up two very large and important buildings?


was for profit in iraq and Afghanistan, the patriot act(bill witch takes away every liberty you have) and all the extra percts including unconstitutional searches at border checkpoints.
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this is a bad argument for anyone who desent understand the internet, by the time the video had come out enough eople had watched/downloaded it there would be no point in killing him, if they did it would just confirm the beleifs


Wrong. You underestimate how much the government searches the internet. They are aware of anything written regarding 9/11 within seconds. No one would have seen it. He would be dead. It's that simple.


this is wrong in a few ways
1.Steel melts at 2700F
2.Steel looses half its strengh at 1200F
3.90% of the jet fuel burned up in the initial crash
4.Jet fuel burns at maximum intesity of 1100F


90% of the fuel did not burn up in the initial crash, you are making things up, and jet fuel burns at 1100C, which is around 2000F, which means you are wrong and it makes perfect sense again.


ive seen this argument too many times, and im wondering if people understand the design of the building, no matter how many planes hit the top floors, the building was not falling.

The world trade centers were built with an enourmously thick steel core, the outside was built entirly by steel, the ammount of steel from bottom too top was from the thickest(at the bottom) too the least thick(at the top).

A plane hitting the top of the building no matter how big they have gotten would have ruptered the outer steel, severed a few of the steel attachements connecting the core too the center but, it would never be enough too make the building collapse at freefall speed into the path of most resistance.


Hi there. There's a thing called inside columns which are the main structure keep the floors from sagging. There were completely wrecked by the plane, and lost all it's strength which caused the floors to sag and rupture to do the immense weight of something like, I don't know, a boeing 767. The building didn't collapse because of multi-floor fires which is was built to preempt. The plane dislodged the support columns, which dislodges the fireproof insulation which was coating the steel, meaning that because the steel was no longer protected by the fireproof materials, but that it was directly susceptible to the jet fuel fires on the multiple floors, allowing it to weaken and collapse. Its very obvious to anyone who understands logic.


what? the center of the building was a core collum made with incredibally thick steel


Incredibly thick steel is steel regardless and will weaken and collapse to heat once the protective layer is gone genius.


Your arguments are stupid and uninformed. And the fact that you spell like you just passed the 5th grade give you no credibility, makes you look like a kid with pants in 5 sizes too large.
dieath
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Your arguments are stupid and uninformed. And the fact that you spell like you just passed the 5th grade give you no credibility, makes you look like a kid with pants in 5 sizes too large.


uh huh

Wrong. You underestimate how much the government searches the internet. They are aware of anything written regarding 9/11 within seconds. No one would have seen it. He would be dead. It's that simple.


that cant be resolved since it seems more like an opinion

90% of the fuel did not burn up in the initial crash, you are making things up, and jet fuel burns at 1100C, which is around 2000F, which means you are wrong and it makes perfect sense again.


you clearly dint see the initial explosions of the planes when they hit, also 2000f is perfect bullshit, i check and at maximum perfect efficency jet fuel would have burned at 500F, no were near.

If you know science ull understand this

Hi there. There's a thing called inside columns which are the main structure keep the floors from sagging. There were completely wrecked by the plane, and lost all it's strength which caused the floors to sag and rupture to do the immense weight of something like, I don't know, a boeing 767. The building didn't collapse because of multi-floor fires which is was built to preempt. The plane dislodged the support columns, which dislodges the fireproof insulation which was coating the steel, meaning that because the steel was no longer protected by the fireproof materials, but that it was directly susceptible to the jet fuel fires on the multiple floors, allowing it to weaken and collapse. Its very obvious to anyone who understands logic.


actually that dint happen, first of all the fires weakened nothing, so the planes had too do all the dmg(fires can go on for days in skyscrapers and not effect them or make them weaker), the plane on say the north tower hit one area, damage the outer wall and broke a few support collums connecting the center too the outer, now assuming that was enough too make an entire floor fall, the core wouldnt have fallen, and if every floor would have pancaked it would have taken about 20 seconds the core would have been up and the explosions seen wouldnt have happened.

Why do people think that an explosion happens durring a collapse? theres never been a collapse before so theres nothing too compare too
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that cant be resolved since it seems more like an opinion

That isn't opinion. It's fact, I don't presume the government checks things, it's a well known fact. And if you think the government can plan 9/11 and not murder some dipshit then you are really really special.


If you know science ull understand this


If you aren't mentally retarded(oh wait) you'll understand this.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

It makes everything you have ever said sound stupid, because you don't know anything.




actually that dint happen, first of all the fires weakened nothing, so the planes had too do all the dmg(fires can go on for days in skyscrapers and not effect them or make them weaker), the plane on say the north tower hit one area, damage the outer wall and broke a few support collums connecting the center too the outer, now assuming that was enough too make an entire floor fall, the core wouldnt have fallen, and if every floor would have pancaked it would have taken about 20 seconds the core would have been up and the explosions seen wouldnt have happened.



God it's like talking to a wall. If I bold what I say and spell it improperly I will be more like you so maybe you will understand better?

the maine uspport colum in the midle of the building had a firepruf insulent, it was dislogged by the crash and the fire, which balantately can destroy the strngth of the steel did just taht and the building could not withstend the weight and colapsed. its simple and obvioeus



I made it italic to increase the impact for you.
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We have found that it is impossible the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor beyond 280° C (536° F).


The biggest problem with this is that he's only calculating for the jet fuel & none of the other combustible material present.

The math might be good, but since he's omitting elements that were present, it's bad science and a flawed conclusion.
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nist report

point 1.The airplane crash, they fail too see how strong the building was made, since a 747 was only 20% bigger than a 707 it dint do much damage, the damage it did was confined too one area were it wouldnt affect the rest of the building since it dint entirely severe an entire floor

2.they mention the fire proof witch dosent matter since fire or jet fuel fire dosent weaken steel, then they mention how it wasnt pancake and they fail too offer a diferent answer.

3. they point out yet again how the planes sent jet fuel through the buildings floors and dislodged the pointless fireproof seeling, yet they dont realize the airplanes fuel suplie was 70% depleted and 90% of it was lost during the initial explosion, so the ammount of jet fule in the buildings no matter how innefective it could have been wouldnt have done anything.

4.they say that the puffs of smoke are from the collapse,

Such jets are expected since the air inside the building is compressed as the tower falls and must flow somewhere as the pressure builds

this is pretty wrong too say since there was no pressure, if there was pressure on the following floors the buildings would have slowed down a little, but they dint, they just kept falling like nothing was in the way

5.i never read about spikes ergo the nist report could be right

6.they say how a story of the floor couldnt possibly support the falling storys from above(this is excluding the massive ammounts of debrie that was blown away at the start) and that the initial momentum(nearly none) was enough too desecrate everything in its path, even tho the further down the building it went, the thicker the steel got. they fail too mention the core too, and theyre argument sounds good, the problem is theres really no collapse too campare this too.

7/a, they say steel wasnt melted, but that is a lie, molten iron was found in the debrie of ground zero, imposible too be caused by anything mentioned on 911

7/b, they are still stating there was a raging inferno in the trade centers, witch is false and that the ''jet fuel'' was hot enough too somehow weaken the steel(witch is imposible in the smuthering enviroment of the trade centers).

8. apparantly the sprinklers were on, since they lied about the strengh of the fire that should have weakened it even more.

9.they never solved anything here

10.never heard of this so i cant argue.

11.they really avoided this question well, the liquid pouring out was molten iron, like the iron found in the basement.they state it was aluminum from the plane but sometimes the iron pouring out was nowere near the debrie

12/13.question twelve had no answer and question 13, either they did a bad investigation or lied.

14. nothing too argu with, theyre reason of not supporting a controlled demolition

the maine uspport colum in the midle of the building had a firepruf insulent, it was dislogged by the crash and the fire, which balantately can destroy the strngth of the steel did just taht and the building could not withstend the weight and colapsed. its simple and obvioeus


this is a what if answer.

what if jet fuel had actually spread out throughout the building, what if the building did not smuther fire, what if steel weakens at temperatures that jet fuel burns.

all those what ifs dint happen, there was about 1000 gallons that was poured into one floor of the trade centers out of the 23 000 gallons the 747 can carry, the fuel burned at a low temperature since it was being smuthered, and dint last long.
and jet fuel would have burned at 500F at max

The biggest problem with this is that he's only calculating for the jet fuel & none of the other combustible material present.


the science is flawed cuz he was being generous, it would have been less since it was being smuthered and there wasnt alot left.

also say what cumbustible matririals are present that burn hotter then jet fuel(other than nanothermite)
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someone other than Klaushouse debate, hes bad at debating withought insulting and I'm already tired of it

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