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kegstand
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In my school some students refuse to stand for the pledge. I think this is wrong, I mean really you cant take like a minute out of your day to thank/honor the troops over in foreign countries fighting for our freedom. It's because of them, that you are able to sleep in a nice safe bed at night.

What do you think, should these students stand for the pledge? or should they just sit on their lazy butts taking everything for granted?

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Krizaz
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Eh. That's kind of disrespectful. but consider that they're atheist.

I'm an atheist, but I stand, but I never put my hand over my heart, standing up for God is one thing, but pledging myself to him is anther. I'm kind of annoyed by the 'Under God' part, if you can't take a hint.

Ernie15
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America is supposed to be about freedom and rights, so standing up for the pledge should be optional. If it were mandatory, it would just ruin the entire system of a "free" country.

I know there's a thread about this somewhere else, but it isn't worth digging up out of the WEPR.

kegstand
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you make a good point, but i mean still show some respect, and krizaz i get what your saying, but thats a whole different thing. I was talking more about our troops and that sort of stuff, not about god.

Krizaz
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I get it.

Ive tried the whole 'Sitting Down' thing, put that got some bad looks from teachers and peers, so I thought it over and thought 'what the hell' and started standing.

For the troops in other countries, of course your should stand.

Here's what might be making people sit down in the pledge (in bold)

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"Pledge Allegiance": Well, people don't want to be bound every day by a Pledge.

Under God: Obvious Religious reasons

For All: Homosexuals, other minority groups.

WexMajor82
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I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

How many years do you people have, when this brainwashing commence?
Krizaz
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How many years do you people have, when this brainwashing commence?


Not from the States are you?

Ohhhh.... 4 years I'd say... Right when I graduate, obviously.
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Where in the pledge does it say ANYTHING about troops?

IT's a pledge of allegience to a republic.

We are not a republic. We are a democracy. Therefore I stand and put my heart over it, but I never say it. Not to metion I sometimes start flipping off the flag. I dislike the pledge. The under god part, and of course, the fact that it refers to America as a republic.

We're almost a confederacy, too :B

EnterOrion
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I never quite understood what peoples problem with one line makes them hate the whole thing. I'll never understand people, I guess.

IT's a pledge of allegience to a republic.


Well, we are sorta more republic than democracy. A proper democracy is totally different from our piece of crap system we have now.

Well, people don't want to be bound every day by a Pledge.


Not really a reason, lol.

Obvious Religious reasons


I don't really understand beyond the "I don't believe in God so this is wrong" perspective, but okay.

Homosexuals, other minority groups.


Which have rights and liberty, and justice. So that's a win. Not always, but they do now.
plokkey
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to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands,


No you got it all wrong! This is the totally boring part that takes forever to say!! >
MC10
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I think people should be allowed to have their opinions, but at my school, kids just don't do the pledge because they are too lazy and busy talking and whatever.

Krizaz
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Which have rights and liberty, and justice. So that's a win. Not always, but they do now.


No... They don't. Not country-wide, 10+ states have it, but so what, it's still not equal.
Cenere
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Not country-wide, 10+ states have it, but so what, it's still not equal.

Yeah, the US is far behind there.
Here is just common to stand for the flag or the national song. The flag because you are outside anyway when it is being raised, and the national song because that would mean we actually won something in sports.
thoadthetoad
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Which have rights and liberty, and justice

Which reminds me how america is supposed to support equality and freedom and shuns segregation and racism...

Yet we segregate by age and sexuality. And we are incredibly racist.

And people do not all have an equal chance.
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