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mattt15
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So ye , I haven't been in armorgames in a while but anyways.

You know when you work-out ? Do you get muscles when it hurts or the more you do , the more you get muscles ?

Like per example , if you do 15 set-ups , but it doesn't hurt , would you get muscles ? Or is it when you do 10 set-ups but it hurts, you get muscles ? Just an example

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ilovemoney249
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It's gotta REALLY hurt. Then that's when you know that your gaining muscle!

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Well, gaining muscle doesn't all depend on just picking up a weight and expecting results after a few weeks.
So many factors come into muscle gain.
Anyway, no, it shouldn't 'hurt'
It might ache afterwards, usually the morning after for me, but hurt whilst you're lifting, no.

Here's the main tips I went by when I started out if you're interested, as it seems you're just starting out too with that kinda question xD

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1. Weight Train

Weight training involves the use of equipment that enables variable resistance. This resistance can come in the form of "free weights" like barbells and dumbbells, machines that use cables or pulleys to help you lift the weight and bodyweight exercises like pull-ups or dips.

For anyone trying to gain muscle, several things must be done. One is to train with heavy weights. Using an appropriate weight, you should only be able to do 4-8 reps. Using heavy weights and low reps puts your muscles and nervous system under much more stress, stimulating more muscle fibers, which will cause rapid muscle growth.

For maximum muscle gain, the focus of your workouts should consist of free weight exercises. Not machines or bodyweight exercises. This is not to say that you should not use machines or bodyweight exercises, but they should not be the focus of your training.

2. Eat More Calories

The most important thing that I cannot emphasize is that you need to eat to gain weight. You need to eat like you've never eaten before. If you are not eating enough calories, you will NEVER gain weight, no matter what you do. In order to build new muscle, you must eat more calories than your body burns off, creating what is called a caloric surplus. To gain mass, you should strive to eat around 18-20 times your bodyweight in calories. The extra calories will be used by your body to repair muscle tissue that is damaged during the heavy workouts, and to build new muscle.

Now, when I say eat, I do not mean just anything. All calories are not created equal. In other words, some types of calories are not equal to others for gaining muscle. For example, if I said that you need to eat 2,000 calories per day to gain weight, and you eat 4 bags of potato chips each day, do you think you would gain muscle? Not likely. The majority of your weight would be fat. Why? Because potato chips, like most processed junk food, contains empty, totally nutritionless calories. These foods do not provide you with the correct nutrient breakdown essential for gaining muscle.

3. Eat More Protein

Without protein, your body will not be able to build new muscle. Years ago, a higher carbohydrate and lower fat diet was the rage, recommended by professional bodybuilders and trainers. They claimed that this was the only way to eat for muscle gain. Unfortunately, the only people gaining muscle on that type of diet were a genetically gifted few. The rest just got fat.

Carbs serve mainly as energy for the body, while protein provides the necessary amino acids to build and repair muscle. For muscle growth, carbohydrates are not as essential as protein and fats. High quality protein, which the body breaks down into amino acids, should be the center point of all your meals. There are many studies that show intense exercise increases demand for amino acids, which support muscle repair and growth. To build muscle, you should try to get at least 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight.

Whether you believe it or not, the fact is: High protein diets build more muscle when incorporated with intense training. Low protein diets do not. Period. Only protein can build muscle. Carbohydrates and fat cannot.

4. Eat More Often

To gain weight, you will be eating a large amount of calories. Unfortunately, your body can only assimilate a certain number of calories at each meal. For our purposes, eating three meals per day is not beneficial. If you had to eat 3,000 calories per day, then you would end up eating 1,000 calories at each meal. The average person can only use a portion of those calories. The excess will be stored as fat or removed from the body.

To enable your body to actually assimilate and use the 3,000 calories you will ingest, you have to reduce your meal size and increase your meal frequency. Splitting your calories into smaller, more frequent portions will enable food absorption and utilization of nutrients . I always eat six meals each day, evenly spaced out at three-hour intervals.

My goal is to provide my body with constant nourishment throughout the day. So if it typically takes about 2.5 hours to digest most meals, want to be eating another meal just as my last meal is leaving my stomach. I do this because my body is constantly in need of nutrients to repair itself. I do a lot of damage during my workouts and completely stress my system. My body is trying to "adapt to the stress," but in order to do this, it needs consistent fuel.

If I ate only three meals per day, then my body would be without nutrients for about six hours between each of those meals! This is unacceptable for skinny guys. Without food, your body will quickly begin to breakdown muscle tissue for energy.

5. Eat More Fat

If you want to gain muscle mass, you must eat enough dietary fat. Dietary fats play an essential role in hormone production, which in turn is responsible for growth and strength increases. I have never gained muscle on a low fat diet, though many people still believe that eating fat makes you fat. This is absolutely false. In fact, there is a very popular muscle gain diet that been around for years, called the "Anabolic Diet" that requires you to eat only fat! Butter, bacon, and heavy cream are all on the menu. Though quite extreme, this diet does work.

Most people are overweight because of a diet high in simple carbohydrates, not from eating fats. If your diet is too low in fat, your body will actually make a point to store any fat it gets, because it doesn't know when it will get more. A low-fat diet will also lower testosterone levels, something we do not want when trying to gain weight. Studies have shown that dietary fat has a direct relationship with testosterone production. An increase in dietary fat intake seems to bring on an increase in testosterone levels. The inverse is also true. A decrease in dietary fat intake is usually accompanied by a decrease in free testosterone levels.

However, you don't want to increase your intake of saturated fats. Saturated fats are what cause disease and coronary problems. Though you will always have some saturated fats in your diet, your main focus should be to increase your intake of Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs).

EFAs are unsaturated fats that are necessary for thousands of biological functions throughout the body. Because they cannot be manufactured by the body, the must be provided by your diet. These fatty acids not only help increase testosterone production, but they also aid in the prevention of muscle breakdown, help to increase your HDL level (good cholesterol) and assist in hormone production. To get your recommended amount of EFA's, I recommend supplementing your diet with either Udo's Perfect Oil Blend (which combines omega- and omega-6), or Cold-Pressed Flaxseed oil (which is mostly omega-3).

6. Drink More Water

To make sure that your muscles stay hydrated, you must drink plenty of water. Dehydration can happen easily if you train hard. A dehydrated muscle, takes longer to repair itself than one sufficiently hydrated.

Drinking a sufficient amount of water not only increases your vascularity (more visible veins), but it will also help to quickly remove toxins from the body. Protein generates metabolic waste products that must be dissolved in water. Without enough water, the kidneys cannot efficiently remove these wastes.

7. Take a Multi-Vitamin

There are many supplements and specific muscle gain enhancing products that I recommend using in my book, but I have to remember that this is only the 10 most important elements of a successful mass program. So, I have to keep this brief and to the point. All of the other products will help, but they are not essential. So, I will only touch on two vitamins supplements: Multi-Vitamins and Antioxidants.

If you want to gain muscle, you must make sure that you are not deficient in any vitamin, mineral or trace element that your body needs. I know many people are going to disagree with me, but I believe that in this day, we absolutely need to supplement our diet with vitamins and minerals. I know that those who are against using vitamins are going to say that if we "just eat a balanced diet. . . ", You know the rest.

Well first, eating a balanced diet is easier said than done. America is the most overweight country in the world. Most people don't even know what a "balanced" diet is. Balanced with what Experts will continue to spout, "eat a balanced diet," while Americans feast on nutritionless fast food and sugar.

8. Take Antioxidants

An antioxidant like Vitamins A, C, E, Glutathione, Glutamine, and Selenium are essential in preventing free radical damage, which is accelerated after the heavy trauma of weight training. Antioxidants protect other substances by being oxidized themselves. Here's a good antioxidant blend that I also use.

9. Rest More Often

Rest is the most overlooked "skinny-guy secret." If you don't rest, you won't grow. Your body does not build muscle in the gym, it builds muscle while resting!

The key to successfully gaining weight is eating enough calories, training hard and then resting. No diet adjustments will make up for lack of rest. If you train hard in the gym, then you should be resting your muscles as much as possible. If you do not give them time to rest and repair, you will not grow. Period.

10. Be Consistent

The secret to gaining muscle mass fast - CONSISTENCY.


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well, it's not always good to work until it really hurts, thats how you injure yourself. do enough sets of reps until it tires you out and it "burns", but not so much when you might tear a muscle. if you don't feel any sort of burn or tiredness, you won't gain much muscle. also; its not just how many you do and how fast you do them, but it all depends on your form. for example, if somebody were doing push-ups in bad form, he may think 50 at once is no big deal. if that same person were to use perfect form (arms at shoulder width, flat palms facing forward, feet planted together against a wall balancing on toes, straight knees/hips/back to form a straight slant) and to slowly press up and down to create a full 90 degree angle at your elbows, even twenty perfect push-ups will wear someone out. just use good form until you can't do any more, then AFTER a complete workout, eat or drink consumables high in protein, specifically for muscle buildup

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My coach told me that when you are sore after a workout, its your muscles breaking down and rebuilding to be stronger. Yeah I listen to my teachers. And stuf.

benman113
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If you work out 2 hours a day you should have no problem with building muscle trust me

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@ Benman, 1 hour is the maximum length you should need in the GYM, to build muscle and lose fat.


However as much of a hypocrite as i sound i never listened, I went for 3-5 hours a day down the gym, working every body part twice.

Everyone's body works differently so everything is effected differently.

You can sit and read magazines all day long about what you should and shouldn't eat or lift, but if your body does not digest the food correctly or does not agree with the sets your body is not going anywhere.


Training regimes change as well, i was set an hour of weights and 30 minutes of Cardio.

I for one started out at the gym as;

6ft 1
14.5 stone
BMI - Average
Chest -32"
Biceps - 15"
Calves - 14"
forearms - 8"
List goes on with everything i took down.


I trained 7 days a week for 3 hours minimum. My body was recovering quickly, and by taking Magnesium & Zinc tablets, my body was going in to over time to recover at double my normal, which was already high.

I also took Acai berries to help with mood swings & to help burn calories at twice the speed.

I took 4 raw eggs each morning with all the pills, a strawberry smoothie and porridge, also my protein shake.

Too much? Not really.

I was not aiming for a 'toned and defined body'
I want to wrestle, it's a life long dream so i aimed for strength.

In 3 months i went from 14 stone to 20 stone, after going down to 12 stone in the first 3 weeks.

I worked it out as 8 stone of muscle i added to my body.
I never got ripped, or defined my muscles, and even though it was not a competition i was one of the few who over passed the people who said things such as;

Your doing too much, only do an hour a day. etc. all that crap.

At the end of the 3 months i was able to leg press 1500 pounds minimum.
i was also doing dead lifts of over 400 kilo's. and 100-200 push ups in 1 sitting daily.

In the first month i also gained my 'war Badges', the marks from where you bulk out and around your stomach and arms you receive stretch marks. Not many understand why i like them, i don't either, but they are great it's a sign to me that i defied my own body and did what i set out to do and over achieved.

My final sizes were:

6ft 3
20.3 stone
BMI - Obese
Chest - 58"
Biceps - 29"
Calves - 32"
forearms - 15"




@ OP If it hurts it hurts, it will hurt, the No Pain, No Gain theory. It is true, you will and should feel pain if your pushing yourself, the pain is good, the only time you should worry is when your getting pains in your back for instance, but that's normal.

All you need to remember is if you are lifting mickey mouse weights, go buy some big ears because that is all your ever achieve.

Quoted by a bodybuilder at the gym i went to.

Don't over do what your body is capable of, above, my body i'm lucky to have because i can push myself to new extremes instantly and achieve from it and i won't be effected at all. I have not done weights over the summer for 3-4 months now, my body is still in tip top condition and i'm still capable of lifting my own body weight.

All i can say is, listen to people at the gym, listen to how they train and adapt it to you and your body.

Some of the people you talk to could be on a diet which benefits them to do better and succeed in more, so do what you are comfortable with.

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well...if it doesn't hurt it means u already have the muscle worked out and you have to work out more to make it stronger.

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This muscle pain is a normal response to unusual exertion and is part of an adaptation process that leads to greater stamina and strength as the muscles recover and build.

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To answer your question OP, yes and no.

While working out and after working out you will generally feel a "burn" in the targeted muscles, and this is neither a cause for alarm nor a sign that you are gaining muscle. This is merely an after-effect of the physical exertion of the exercise you partake in, and if you are trying to build muscle you need to do a bit more than more sets or simply work out until it hurts.

What you need to do is set a goal. Do you want to increase muscle mass? Decrease body fat? Get ripped/learn? Increase overall strength? There are different methods to each question I just asked, and those determine what kind of muscle you want to build/ what kind of exercise you need to do. To increase muscle mass you generally will lift heavier weight for fewer reps, to get lean you will do lighter weight with more reps, just as a general guideline.

The main thing is that you can expect to spend 3 hours in the gym in that day and expect immediate results. It is best to make a workout plan, make sure you that you keep a log of how you are working out, and stick to it. It is important that you set a goal and stick to it, and the clearer your idea of an end result is, the easier it is for you to monitor your progress.

Good luck and happy lifting!

acepilot0
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Sorry to double-post but in that last paragraph I meant can't expect to spend 3 hours in the gym and expect immediate results.

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it didnt hurt for me ..i just slowly made my way up doing a reasonable amount of weights and lifting them for a reasonable amount of time and after a while i kept doing it more and more and longer and longer

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If you work out for a mass amount of time saying 3 hours a day and 7 days a week and do a lot of sets you're not going to get results.

If you work out maybe 1-2 hours a day and maybe 5-6 times week then yes. You have to let your muscles rest and remember to drink plenty of water and have a good protein intake.

Monohydrate Creatine helps keep the water in your muscles and recover. Most bodybuilders take this and get bigger and stronger with it.

My Dad's workout schedule:
Sunday-Rest day

Monday-Chest -10 sets of flat normal grip bench press. Then 5 sets of close grip bench press for your triceps(heavy day one week then the next it's light day)

Tuesday- Legs - 10 sets of squats. Then 5 sets of lunges.(heavy day)

Wednesday- Biceps - We usually go to the gym and do about 12 sets of curls. But if not we have weights here at home and do:
6 sets of curls with the EZ-curl bar. Then 6 more curls with the bar-bell.(repetitions)

Thursday- Shoulders - 8 sets of incline bench press. Then 8 sets of shoulder press.(heavy day one week. Then light day the next)

Friday- Legs - 10 sets of lunges. Then 5 sets of squats.(light day)

Saturday- Back(longest hardest workout) - 10 sets of deadlifts, 5 sets of bend over rows, 5 sets of t-bar rows, 5 sets of upright rows.
It was spread through the day. Wake up in the morning and do some then finish the rest at night.

Another workout we'll do is traps. We usually throw that in on any day that doesn't require much to do. Also on chest & shoulder days we throw in push-ups.

When taking Creating though you will need to drink plenty of water everyday. It says drink about a gallon everyday. It's a hard thing to do to drink that much water everyday. But you'll get use to it after lets say two weeks.

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