This is basically the same game as the one that has been running for quite a while, but it will be all official material, no house rules or non-rulebook sources of any kind, and I may enforce mandatory characters if things get too far out of hand (TRF has said that things were getting carried away in the other game). I also want chracter and OOC dialouge to be better managed, in other words don't fill this game up with a bunch of meaningless chatter (If all you want to do is talk about something, do it in the other game). New players are always welcome, and in fact encouraged, even if you don't own any of the books or know any of the rules. If any new players want to join, see the other game for rules, give me a race and class, and I will take care of the rest. As soon as at least 4 characters are made, this game will begin. The module I am using is a DCC, known as "The Black Pearl" (and I don't mean the ship from Pirates of the Caribbean)
Hyper, you know for a fact that the Russian examples I provided were all from a single Soviet scientist and they were all performed sans anesthesia.
Yes. But I don't see how you could possibly put animal testing even miles near human testing. Animal testing is essential for the advancement of biomedical science.
But the sheer extent of the experiments and the lack of anesthesia make it much worse than animal testing. You do realize the extent of pain that decapitation causes when your head is alive and conscious for another week? They did that just to see what would happen.
But the sheer extent of the experiments and the lack of anesthesia make it much worse than animal testing.
You only think to compare the creatures to humans because they're dogs, and monkeys, and other "cute fluffy things" I'm sure. If scientists had tortured a rat or a snake or a cockroach like that just to see what would happen you wouldn't have cared half as much. Let's face it, humanity only cares about animals that are cute and cuddly.
You do realize the extent of pain that decapitation causes when your head is alive and conscious for another week? They did that just to see what would happen.
Unit 731 did the same thing, and far worse, to humans.
But the sheer extent of the experiments and the lack of anesthesia make it much worse than animal testing. You do realize the extent of pain that decapitation causes when your head is alive and conscious for another week? They did that just to see what would happen.
I don't know man, all these guys were ****ed up but I still think the japs were worse.
Unit 731 did the same thing, and far worse, to humans.
He knows what they did, I already told him before.
You only think to compare the creatures to humans because they're dogs, and monkeys, and other "cute fluffy things" I'm sure. If scientists had tortured a rat or a snake or a cockroach like that just to see what would happen you wouldn't have cared half as much. Let's face it, humanity only cares about animals that are cute and cuddly.
I like rats, my best friend is a rat, and another good friend of mine is a snake.
Hyper, I only count creatures with higher level brain functions. Invertebrates don't count, amphibians don't matter and certain lower evolved reptiles don't matter. Aesthetics are of no concern from my perspective. U731 was also an isolated incident.
I like rats, my best friend is a rat, and another good friend of mine is a snake.
What about cockroaches, spiders, scorpions, ants, etc? You wouldn't care if scientists tortured them, I'm sure, but one of those PETA psychos might raise issue if a butterfly or ladybug was being tortured.
You've yet to provide proof of a non-isolated incident with either of your candidates....
Hyper, I only count creatures with higher level brain functions. Invertebrates don't count, amphibians don't matter and certain lower evolved reptiles don't matter. Aesthetics are of no concern from my perspective.
What about sharks? Would you care if a tiger shark was being vivisected?
Dibs....... you are holding us up since Noobs is gone.....
Sharks have a higher order of thinking if I remember correctly. They count. I do understand that we have vivisected them recently, but I also remember them having been anesthetized at the time.
Sharks have a higher order of thinking if I remember correctly. They count. I do understand that we have vivisected them recently, but I also remember them having been anesthetized at the time.
So if a shark was being vivisected without painkillers, you would care just as much as if a dog was being vivisected without painkillers, or if a human was being vivisected without painkillers?
