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SLEEPYSNIPER
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Nomad

who got to see it I did not think bush would doge the shoes

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Zootsuit_riot
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Nomad

I think the only reason that Bush managed to dodge was because the guy got up and yelled before he actually threw the shoes...

But, on another note, it is an insult of the most extreme form in Arabic culture, as Woody said, and should not be taken lightly.

silentclore
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I think it would have been epic if he
actually got hit with the shoe, but man
Bush is a great dodger. The reporter who
threw the shoe got arrested quickly ,it
was like toss!-toss! and he was down!
I suppose the guy who threw the shoes
threw them because he was upset about
the solders staying at war for a few
more years.

ChopstickBoB
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The guy is truly a revolutionary


Yeah. A revolutionary that apparently prefered the status quo under a violent dictator that used poison gas against his own citizens killing around 18,000 over the course of three days. At least now they have the opportunity to elect their butchers freely.
thelistman
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The guy is truly a revolutionary ^^

Revolutionary? I wouldn't come close to calling him that. Showing the soles of your shoe to someone is the biggest insult in the Arab world. But it's just that... an insult. A revolutionary would have done much more that insult Bush. Hell, everyone has done that.

woody_7007
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How do you know this man preffered the old regime? In any case if the coalition forces left Iraq it's not like Saddam would rise from his grave and return to the throne. The random violence being suffered daily by Iraqis was caused by America's going into Iraq regardless of the motives and outcomes of it, and this is what the ordinary people do not like, not that they prefer Saddam as you said.

tanstaafl28
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who got to see it I did not think bush would doge the shoes


WTF was that all about? He's lucky there weren't rotten eggs and tomatoes available. He deserves far worse than that.

I think they should get those shoes and bronze them, and put them in the George W. Bush Presidential Library as a permanent part of his "legacy."
orgy
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orgy
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it is a nice way to say goodbye to bush...
also he has problems to understand the situation so he can laugh...
i dont like him ...
bill clinton is my fav. president for USA...

Skyla
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Yeah. A revolutionary that apparently prefered the status quo under a violent dictator that used poison gas against his own citizens killing around 18,000


Don't make random assumptions to please yourself. How do you know the reporter &quotreferred" Saddam Hussein?

I think people should be less distracted by events like this and look at the big picture, George Bush has caused a lot of pain to the Iraqis. This is an educated man who most likely just wants freedom to his country and people, but he can't do anything about it. I'm sure if he wasn't supressed he wouldn't have taken that action. He was filled with hatred for Bush and he couldn't keep it inside himself. As I was saying, events like these should not distract us. This is making Bush look like the victim.

Now I'm not siding with anyone here, but I think bush (not capitalized on purpose) should be taken to court for all the suffering he caused, for NO reason. His initial excuse was going there because he was CERTAIN that Iraq had biological weapons. Later, he took Iraq's oil, turned it into a poor nation, destroyed homes and families, and then apologized about not finding any weapons. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Iraq was more stable with Saddam Hussein around, as much as I disagree with dictatorship.

The reporter's mother and 6 sisters were depending on him for bread and shelter, his supressed anger and hate led him to forget about all these things dear to him just to let it all out. He was also one of the people who, during the war, wrote the truth, and bravely expressed the true feelings of Iraq.

Saddam Hussein, with all his wrong-doings, lifted his head with pride, without fear when he was being executed. Bush looked stunned after dodging the shoe. I'm trying to say that even a tyrant like Saddam Hussein has more respect than Bush.

Just a little point - the shoe steps on dirt and filth all the time, and that's why in Arab culture, it is considered the greatest insult to throw it at someone. The reporter, before throwing the shoe yelled "This is your goodbye kiss, Dog!" Dog is one of the apalling verbal insults in the Arabic language.

Lets move on to human rights. Bush, ever since coming to Iraq, has been talking about how he wants to get rid of Saddam's regime and introduce democracy and human rights to the Iraqi population. Now, when the secret service attacked the reporter, I pictured a bunch of farmers running after a wild dog who killed their goat, is this the right to freedom bush speaks of so often?

To be honest, I don't see what's wrong in throwing a shoe at Bush. After all, Bush did throw bombs and rockets on the Iraqis. This is getting way more attention than it deserves, we talk about this more than we talked about what happened to the prisoners in AbuGarib. We shouldn't be so simple-minded.

An Iraqi journalist said "A shoe is a weapon of mass destruction, but no to destruct, to protect dignity"

I believe this is poorly translated but I couldn't find more sources.

-Skyla.
jonnypants23
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dude he deserved it and i was laughing for like a year

I want to see you run a country lol.

I bet bush played on a dodge ball team before lol.
Flipski
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Even though I dislike him as a president, I still think it's rude to throw things at someone. Especially if they are mentally handicapped.

ChopstickBoB
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Don't make random assumptions to please yourself. How do you know the reporter &quotreferred" Saddam Hussein?

I suppose I was being inflamatory.
I think people should be less distracted by events like this and look at the big picture, George Bush has caused a lot of pain to the Iraqis. This is an educated man who most likely just wants freedom to his country and people, but he can't do anything about it.

I think Iraq was more stable with Saddam Hussein around

He has freedom. His whole country has freedom. Thats the major difference between a democracy and a despotism, and, last time I checked, Iraq is under the governance of a freely elected executive and legislative branch, with a constitution written by its people. If he wants different people, he can do something about it. Its called voting. Also, there is a definite timeline for the exit of American troops because the country is now very close to stable. Iraq under Saddam was stable because governments tend to be stable when you execute all of the dissidents.

This is making Bush look like the victim.

Well, he did get a shoe thrown at him. That makes him a victim by definition.

His initial excuse was going there because he was CERTAIN that Iraq had biological weapons.

So was the USA Congress, otherwise a war could not have been declared. That's how democracy works. They were certain too. The CIA was certain. British and Israeli intelligence was certain. And frankly, if the CIA, British and Israeli intelligence all tell me the guy has WMD's... well, I'd be inclined to believe them. Also, everyone knows Saddam had no love for the US. We were his enemy number 2 (number 1 would be the Kurds, but most of them were murdered), and he would have had no qualms with sharing. That was the justification. It was a good one. It apparently incorrect.

Bush, ever since coming to Iraq, has been talking about how he wants to get rid of Saddam's regime and introduce democracy and human rights to the Iraqi population.

And he did.

Now, when the secret service attacked the reporter

And what would have happened if he had thrown a shoe at the Iraqi Prime Minister? Everyone would have shook his hand? And last I checked he was in good health. He would have been shot five minutes later if he had done that to Saddam.

'm trying to say that even a tyrant like Saddam Hussein has more respect than Bush.

http://solport.com/resources/Liberate%20Iraq/Saddam%20statue%20falls,%20Iraqis%20rejoice%20-%20Reuters.JPG
Looks like respect to me!

To be honest, I don't see what's wrong in throwing a shoe at Bush.

Neither do I. I call it freedom of speech. I just don't agree with his motivation.
woody_7007
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Saddam Hussein, with all his wrong-doings, lifted his head with pride, without fear when he was being executed. Bush looked stunned after dodging the shoe. I'm trying to say that even a tyrant like Saddam Hussein has more respect than Bush.


Not really true. He was looking down at the flloor for most of the time. Can you really blame Bush for looking surprised when a shoe was thrown at him? Firstly you cannot really compare a middle eastern dictator with a western authorotative leader. Different cultures, different agenda, different context completely. Second of all stop trying to paint Saddam in a good light. He was a terrible dictator, he started a brutal war in Iran using nerve gas, he started a mini genocide against the Kurds, he bankrupted Iraq which was why he invaded Kuwait-for the oil revenue and he refused to admit he didnt have WMDs leading to another war with the West. A man to be respected indeed.
jonnypants23
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Can you really blame Bush for looking surprised when a shoe was thrown at him?


What if it was a bomb , or some kind of dangerous item?
woody_7007
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Peasant

What if it was a bomb , or some kind of dangerous item?


Possibly but my point was that it is a natural reaction to look surprised if something is thrown at you. In any case it is stupid to compare Bush's look of surprise to Saddams look of apparent calm on the day of his execution as Skyla did because they are completely and utterly different events.
jonnypants23
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Yea I know I was agreeing with you.
I would be surprised too if a guy through his shoes at my face...

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