look at religion over the years starting way back at medieval times the crusades or holy war caused many deaths all in the name of Christianity and that they killed people of other religion (i forgot the religion but i believe it was Muslim)in the name of there god and jumping back to modern times you can even base 9/11 on a religion if you can justify so is it not an honor to die suicide bombing or plane jacking if you can justify that you did it in the name of the Muslim god
so basically im looking for the opinion's of people on armor games do you think religion's worth it? please at least attempt to back up your answer
Religion caused some of the trouble around the world for example racism against antoher persons religion that cause some of the problems of war.But that's the only thing religion has caused.
Nationalism is the cause, rather. We are racist against many races of which are the same religion.
Us humans we pollute the air we cause wars we decide to be harsh to the people different from us.
Us people, have reasons as to why we do things. We are influenced by things such as religion. By pointing at humanity and saying that we did all this, is skipping a step. Why did we cause all these wars, and such?
One famous historian once said, "Scratch the surface of any war, and you will find a religious core." or something along those lines.
Just because someone said something does not make it true. Explain it at least. This is the billionth time I heard someone using a quote as an absolute truth.
I believe that most religion is too troublesome to be useful. Many argue that it gives hope, but a false hope; if a doctor told a patient who was certainly going to die that he would certainly live than many would say the doctor has overstepped ethical lines.
Just because someone said something does not make it true. Explain it at least. This is the billionth time I heard someone using a quote as an absolute truth.
I can't stand it when people do that. It is however great fun when in competitive debate your opponent quotes someone who only says something like "Due process protects justice. Therefore due process is good." or something stupid like that, because then you just call them out for not proving why it reaches justice and therefore due process can't be used to weigh (measures something to determine who wins) the round. Then your weighing mechanism stands. the other problem with using short quotations like this is that they are often "mined," like creationists who will quote a scientist saying evolution seems absurd but it has all of the facts behind it without the latter part.
Just because someone said something does not make it true.
But it is for a lot of wars. Now I'm not saying Religion has caused the wars. But people who come into power often use Religion to get more people to fight for them and stuff like that. I think I said this in my other post a couple pages back anyway, deja vu XD
Why did we cause all these wars, and such?
Because we people can =) Most wars are started over something like 'WMD's and everyone else doesn't want to get blown up, so they go to war with the person or persons with these weapons. Others are because someone who has power decides to use Religion and say '[Insert your God here] doesn't like this person, we must destroy them!' and that's what happens. Or maybe people just don't like each other.
The bad thing about religion is that people will hate each other because they are in a different religion, but the thing is the religion that you believe in it doesn't say anywhere to hate another religion your God doesn't want you to hate another religion but to respect it
Flag The bad thing about religion is that people will hate each other because they are in a different religion, but the thing is the religion that you believe in it doesn't say anywhere to hate another religion your God doesn't want you to hate another religion but to respect it
BUt also too you must consider that most faiths consider converting non-believers to be of the highest priority, and that means converting people who have their own faith (which they believe is right). When you attempt to convert someone who doesn't want to be converted sometimes shit can hit the fan.
Also, most people of faith consider their particular faith to be the one true faith, which means no room in their minds for give and take. They are taught that steadfastness is a sign of strenght in their faith. Therefore, you get a bunch of closed minded individuals each believing that THEY are right and the other person WRONG. The end result can be nothing but trouble.
One can only be converted if he is ready to hear what is being told. Have you ever tried talking to a rock?... Thats what its like trying to talk to someone about your faith and they are not willing to hear it.
maybe they are happy with their faith. I'm sure you don't want to be converted you ever think that they don't either? oh, but thats right out of all the different faith yours is the right one.
it does not mean that we will lose our morals if religion is gone.
But how do you know? Religion was the first time the general ruels and laws we accept today were codified (at least in the Western wowrld). Without them whose to say that obvious things such as murder and thievery would be considered immoral if religion had never come about. Even if what i just said in my previous sentence wasnt true, you cannot deny that as religion is where these morals originated from as this is where they were first established.
Also i notice you base a lot of your argument on that i seemed to prtray that atheists didnt have morals. I never said or suggested this. I just explained how i belive that religion was the original moral force, but that of course nowadays we are developed enough to know the difference abetween right and wrong, whereas in the days whenKings and Queens burnt people at the stake for minor infringements religious morals were very important and that if they werent around then we wouldnt have such an advanced moral psyche as we have today. At least in my opinion.
It is also is in human nature to be selfish and go out and get what you want for yourself, at least according to the theory based on psychodynamics. We have an ego in our subconscious that says 'give me what i want, i dont care about anyone else' however the superego which is also in the subconscious worries what people would thuink of this behaviour and says ' if i acted in this way i would be frowned down on by my peers and i could be punished' it is this part of the brain that keeps people in check and any people who are perceived as thinking and acting immorally is a result of these two parts of the brain in continous conflict and imbalance. I have no doubt that many of the people i just mentioned would be far worse people if it werent for religion. This is what i think anyway. There are 3 other theories on psychological behaviour and i cant be bothered to explain them all, but this is the one that makes most sense to me, and i think it can be applied in this context.
Um, yeah, and it just so happens that yours, along with every other "devote" relgious devotee believes that every other religious devotee is wrong. It's a freaking joke.
At the time of hunters and gatherers, where no religion existed. Things were perfect.
It seems that the members of the same species are loyal to one another.
Really, religion has only created the morals such as homosexuality is wrong, underage sex is wrong. Things like killing and theft are obvious! This is because people react to them. Say, if you stole something from me, I'd get pissed off. Thus, you'd get it in your head "Don't steal"...
It is also is in human nature to be selfish and go out and get what you want for yourself, at least according to the theory based on psychodynamics.
I have a theory of my own, which is not quite the same. Simply saying that people will do anything for their own needs is proven false in reality. Even animals are not like this. They get what they need.
I have no doubt that many of the people i just mentioned would be far worse people if it weren't for religion. [/quote]
Oh please, most do not ever read the Bible. They just consider themselves Christians and live their life non religiously. We learn from our parents and from society. Now, most "Christians" have not read that homosexuality is wrong, but they heard it from society. Thus, act on it.
