look at religion over the years starting way back at medieval times the crusades or holy war caused many deaths all in the name of Christianity and that they killed people of other religion (i forgot the religion but i believe it was Muslim)in the name of there god and jumping back to modern times you can even base 9/11 on a religion if you can justify so is it not an honor to die suicide bombing or plane jacking if you can justify that you did it in the name of the Muslim god
so basically im looking for the opinion's of people on armor games do you think religion's worth it? please at least attempt to back up your answer
At the time of hunters and gatherers, where no religion existed
I don't think you can say no religion existed. It may not have been an Abrahamic relgion, or one we recongnize today, but there were religion at that time. Look at the cave paintings in France, at Lascaux. Most scientists belive that the cave was some sort of sanctuary for their religion that held animals as a sort of deity.
Also, Native AMericans were hunter gatherers and they certainly had a religion.
Read up on the Lascaux Cave Paintings, they were created far before modern (and by that I mean historic) Native Americans. I think it was natural event for most humans (even primitave) to have a belief in some sort of super natural, God, spirits, or what have you.
They may have the idea of a God, but not a religion!
And, if they had no language they could not spread this religion which spreads out "moral rules".
Btw, we don't have to look at humans. Animals themselves have "morals". They only kill to survive. Its common sense to not kill your family!
Saying that religion is what gives us morals is quite the same as the statement that religion is what gives us the emotions of love, friendship and such.
Are you the one I've disagreed over the definition of religion with for so long? I can't recall. To me, a belief in a GOD is by definition a religion. You may disagree, but that is the definition I go by.
Not all animals only kill to survive. Cats, for instance, kill for pleasure.
I've never said that religion is what gives us moral vaules. NEVER. Perhaps you meant that comment for someone else. In fact, my mother and me don't get along because I am not overly religious and I don't go to church and she therefore thinks I have no morals, when in fact, I bevlieve I have better morals than most religious people I know.
Also, finally, and this is nit picky, but the exclmation points you use are killing me. In all my writing classes, I've learned that exclamation points are only, truly, used properly to express dialogue of a person shouting, and that they should be rarely used in common sentences.
Yes that was me you disagreed with. About that, I don't believe in God, just consider it a possibility.
Cats kill for pleasure? Mm, even so, I think the point is clear.
That comment was against someone else...
As of the exclamination marks, I love them! I hate English class and their teachings. I believe literature is suppose to be free spirited, and free of rules. That is, as long as its understandable (so grammar is an exception to some point) I hate it having them tell us how to do this and that... Id say they that you would become a better write actually practicing some "free " writing.
Now exclamations I believe are used to emphasize a statement, what else should I use?
At the time of hunters and gatherers, where no religion existed. Things were perfect. It seems that the members of the same species are loyal to one another.
When people were hunter gatherers there were many fomr sof religion, mostly based on nature. Things werent perfect either. Inter tribal wars were very common as they went ou to get what thy wanted for themselves.
Really, religion has only created the morals such as homosexuality is wrong, underage sex is wrong. Things like killing and theft are obvious! This is because people react to them. Say, if you stole something from me, I'd get pissed off. Thus, you'd get it in your head "Don't steal"...
Religion has also created many other moral codes by which people used to live their lives, and which made the world a better, safer place when it could have been far more dangerous. And by the theory i previously mentioned i wouldnt care how you reacted if i stole something from you. I would only care about what was best for me.
Simply saying that people will do anything for their own needs is proven false in reality. Even animals are not like this. They get what they need.
I said that they would do this if it werent for their super ego. You really have to listen. I am not trying to apply this to animals either. Their brains are no way near the level of development that we (humans)are. They only have 1 level in their brain, which controls their basic instincts so trying to apply psychological theories to them is difficult if not impossible.
Children in the western world in nice middle class households are taught morals when they are young. They do not steal or murder as they have had it drilled into their heads by their parents. Consider a child of the same age in an extremely rough 3rd world environment, eg Nigeria, when it all kicked off in the 60s and 70s. Children soldiers were used. There were many atrocties in this period and many many villages were wiped out. The children used hadnt been affected by this at all and were taken from villages miles from the conflict. They had been given AK47s sent to villlages and been told to wipe it out. And they promptly did. When you give people power over others they will most likely use it for their own benefit and do some quite shocking things. If religious morals had been instilled in them i doubt that all the children given the guns would have killed all the people.
Woddy, I don't think you can use Nigeria as an example to back up your argument. There are soooo many other factors that go in to events like that. Simply being taught christianity would not have stopped those poor children from being manipulated, brain washed, and controlled by narcotics, by their elders.
It is poverty that lead to their problems not a lack of religion. If THEY had come from a middleclass with a nice family environment, most everything they need available to them then they too would have had no need to pick up guns and kill and steal.
