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what do you mean victory?

Im sorry if the had a WAR.

It's illogical that they'd even have a war. So it's an irrelevant issue.

These war questions are pointless. War is not determined by strength alone; it is a complex mix of diplomacy, tactics, and alliance. Without a context, it is impossible to say.

If you want an answer to this question then look up statistics as that is the only way you could logically predict the outcome of a conflict. However like Parsat has said so many other factors come into play that it impossible to make an informed descision.

Here are some stats i found off google on this website

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country_detail.asp?country_id=4

China

Military Manpower: 667,657,509
Personnel Fit for Military Service: 550,265,789
Available Yearly Military Manpower: 25,848,582

Purchasing Power: $7,099,000,000,000
Gold Reserves: $1,534,000,000,000

Oil Production: 3,710,000 (barrels/day)
Oil Consumption: 7,000,000 (barrels/day)
Proven Oil Reserves: 16,300,000 (barrels)
Labor Force: 803,300,000
Ports: 8

Airports: 467
Railways: 75,438 km
Waterways: 124,000 km
Roadways: 1,870,661 km
Land Area: 9,596,960 km
Merchant Marines: 1775

To keep the statistics consistent, here are some mmore from the same source website:

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country_detail.asp?country_id=3

Military Manpower: 71,233,475
Personnel Fit for Military Service: 50,105,672
Available Yearly Military Manpower: 2,530,333

Purchasing Power: $2,097,000,000,000
Gold Reserves: $476,400,000,000

Oil Production: 9,677,000 (barrels/day)
Oil Consumption: 2,916,000 (barrels/day)
Proven Oil Reserves: 60,000,000 (barrels)
Labor Force: 72,400,000
Ports: 8

Airports: 1,260
Railways: 87,157 km
Waterways: 96,000 km
Roadways: 871,000 km
Land Area: 17,075,200 km
Merchant Marines: 1130

Hope i could be of some help.

oh and btw the second set of statistics are for the Russian military in case you coulnt figure it out.

Hmmm... Well from those stats it looks like China would murder Russia in a war.

If China invaded Russia... historically countries don't do so well invading Russia. They tend to freeze to death. I'd wager China would take a decent chunck of land before overextending and having to pull out.

Russia wouldn't invade China, but if they did, again they would lose. Lots of military power in a defensive position.

We'll all be speaking Chinese pretty soon anyway. Tell the truth I'm glad Russia is back in the game. China just has too many people. More labor, more brains, more soldiers. All Russia has on it's side is the climate. If they had an armed citizenry, and the Chinese invaded, the Chinese would not stand a chance. As it is, China will destroy them, and everyone else.

Th reason countries dont do well invading russia is because of its vastness. The supply lines get far too stretched forcing large armies to withdraw. However things have changed a lot since 1812 and 1942 to the present day. Purely statistically Russia seems to be at a huge disadvantage, but when you consider the number of those people who are completely untrained peasants then the total number of combat effective people would be far smaller. Chinas human wave tactics simply would not work very well against modern technology. I would say the battle for aerial superiority would be vital in this war. China have the worlds largest airforce, but Russia being very well equipped with the latest MiGs, it would be a very close call. Too close really, but i would plump for Russia just on past historical evidence, however as both of these countries have nuclear capabilities then these weapons could be used and it wold be a completely different kind of war.

Purely statistically Russia seems to be at a huge disadvantage, but when you consider the number of those people who are completely untrained peasants then the total number of combat effective people would be far smaller. Chinas human wave tactics simply would not work very well against modern technology.

China have the worlds largest airforce, but Russia being very well equipped with the latest MiGs, it would be a very close call.

Oh yeah, China's airforce is actually smaller than that of Russia's and America's.

russia would just be communist bitches and china would make toys...

This is in the past now. Russia doesn't have a peasant army force like they did in WWII, nor does China use human wave attacks anymore.

China's materiel is not inferior either. Although China has a habit of making copies (a quarter of the world's AK-47 rifles are in fact Chinese copies), their aircraft and weapons are not necessarily more inferior than Russia's.

As I said though, war is heavily context dependent. Who are the generals? What battalions are fighting? What style are they fighting with? Who are their allies? What outside intervention is happening. To think of history as a simple glass sphere enclosing a region across a concrete glass sphere is wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

Then agian Soviet Russia won world war II with vast numbers of of troops who were tossed a rifle and told to defend their country.
In Stalingrad some units had no rifles, they had to pick them off of the dead bodies of their fallen comrades.

China, I think, could counter Russia's vastness with its huge advantage in manpower.

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Then agian Soviet Russia won world war II with vast numbers of of troops who were tossed a rifle and told to defend their country.
In Stalingrad some units had no rifles, they had to pick them off of the dead bodies of their fallen comrades.

China, I think, could counter Russia's vastness with its huge advantage in manpower.